Amory Lovins: The frugal cornucopian  

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The Economist has an article on Amory Lovins, noting he "began making the case for resource efficiency decades ago, long before it became fashionable", and "now things are going his way" - The Frugal Cornucopian.

IF ANYBODY should be on top of the world today, it is Amory Lovins. That is not just because the energy visionary makes his home on a mountain in Old Snowmass, Colorado. Rather, it is because today’s interrelated energy and climate difficulties have at last made the world see the importance of resource efficiency, energy innovation and holistic design—principles that he has been advocating for nearly four decades.

For much of that time, Mr Lovins, who heads the Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI), a natural-resources consultancy, has been a lonely voice in the wilderness. As far back as the early 1970s, he sounded his first alarm about the potential damage that climate change might bring, but he was ignored. In a paper in Foreign Affairs in 1976, at the height of the energy crises and neuroses of that decade, he argued that what the world needed most was not new energy supplies but more efficiency. He was ruthlessly attacked by the energy industry and the political establishment, and his proposal for an alternative “soft path” out of the energy crisis was dismissed. Energy and economic growth always grew in lockstep, went the conventional argument, and to think otherwise was dangerously naive.

But history has proved him right. Thanks to a combination of high prices and public policies aimed at encouraging efficiency and conservation, America’s energy use did decouple from economic output in the wake of the oil shocks of the 1970s. Crucially, this happened without impoverishing the country, proving his once-controversial thesis that growth and greenery can indeed go hand in hand. That experience, along with the recent global energy-price shock, has made it respectable for business and political leaders to talk about energy efficiency.

Mr Lovins should be pleased, but his satisfaction at having been proved right is tempered by lingering unease that there are echoes of the 1980s in today’s debate. The main problem with the approach to energy in the 1970s, he argues, was that the issue was defined as a supply shortage. “The question they asked was how to get more energy, at any price, instead of asking: ‘How should we use energy, why are we using it so wastefully, and what do people really use energy for?’” he says.

That question points to one of his main contributions to the energy debate. He insists that the goal of public policy should be to ensure adequate and affordable supplies not of energy per se but of “energy services”—as he loves to put it, the cold beer and hot showers made possible by energy. By redefining the problem that way, rather than merely subsidising more power plants or oil drilling, public policy can be made technology neutral, and consumer needs can be satisfied by demand-side measures if they prove cheaper than drilling or digging for new supply. ...

Mr Lovins is convinced that the “intensity and diversity of innovation attempts today is much greater than in the 1980s.” One reason is that technology, be it in nanotech, batteries or computing, has improved. Another is that research itself is much more productive, in his view, thanks to the rise of open, networked and global approaches to innovation.

He sees one more reason for optimism about today’s innovation boom. Unlike the last clean-tech wave, which was largely funded by government money doled out to politically connected groups, this wave is a largely “invisible” trend funded chiefly by private money coming from venture capitalists, angel investors and private-equity funds. That, he reckons, makes for more discerning investments and increases the odds of success.

Unlike many environmentalists, Mr Lovins has always had a respect for market forces and entrepreneurship. Markets are good at weeding out trendy but impractical technologies, for one thing. And he designed RMI to be not only a think-tank but a “do tank” that puts theory into practice. To do so, he has taken various of his ideas and formed start-up companies that have then been spun out of RMI.

Among these are Hypercar (which came up with a new design for a light, efficient car), Fiberforge (an offshoot of Hypercar which sells carbon-fibre parts to automotive suppliers) and Bright Automotive (which is developing technologies for plug-in hybrid cars, and is expected to be floated within a year). It has been nearly two decades coming, but the world’s car industry is now embracing plug-ins, fuel cells, electric cars and lightweight bodies.

It is not just his enthusiasm for market forces that makes Mr Lovins, a man whose green credentials are impeccable, a most unlikely eco-warrior. He does not mind taking an infinitely long shower, he explains, if he uses renewable energy to heat his shower and recycles his waste water. Though it is fashionable to proclaim that sport-utility vehicles (SUVs) are the work of the devil, he made a point of designing his initial Hypercar as an SUV to show that the proper target for green ire was bad design, an inefficient engine and dirty fuel—not the SUV per se. He even rankles when he is called an environmentalist, insisting that he prefers “elegant frugality to wearing a hair shirt.”

I'm not sure where I came across this, but Lovins also features in this lengthy interview with "Mother Earth News" back in 1977 - The Plowboy Interview.
PLOWBOY: Amory, for the benefit of those who don't know you, could you explain how you got into the field of energy analysis? How did a physicist happen to get so deeply involved in energy policy?

LOVINS: Through a series of historic accidents. It's true that I'm basically an experimental physicist, or at least I used to be. I was working toward a Ph.D. in physics at Oxford, in England, during the late sixties. Up until that time, I had been raised to be a normal, healthy techno-twit I didn't much care about environmental issues.

Gradually, though, I began reading about the wider problems in the world. And I started to realize that it wouldn't make a heck of a lot of difference to anybody whether or not I solved the problems I was working on in the laboratory. At the same time, I was becoming less and less able to see myself twenty years down the road as an academic physicist.

At about that time—which is to say, the very late sixties—I developed an interest in a wild part of northwest Wales called Snowdonia National Park. A colleague and I had done a lot of mountain photography there, and a little writing, too. We thought we might be able to recover some of our film costs by selling an article to National Geographic so we wrote to the magazine. And they said, "Well this is nice stuff, but it's not what we publish - it's too atmospheric. But you might send it to Dave Brower at Friends of the Earth, because Dave likes that sort of thing. He might have some suggestions." So we wrote to Dave, and very much to our surprise we soon found ourselves signed up to do one of Dave's "exhibit format" books for FOE.

PLOWBOY: This was in 1970?

LOVINS: Right, late 1970. In the process of doing the book, during the spring of '71, co-photographer Philip Evans and I became very much involved with Dave Brower and the things he was doing. Also, I was getting to be sufficiently disenchanted with academic science at that point that I was willing to jump off and try something else ... so in May of 1971 I resigned my Junior Research Fellowship at Oxford, moved from Oxford to London, and went to work for Friends of the Earth as their British representative, which involved me in a mixture of analysis, writing, speaking, broadcasting, testifying, and lobbying at all levels, from grassroots to Prime Ministerial. ...

PLOWBOY: All right. You've written three energy books in the past several years-six Friends of the Earth books altogether—and you've had numerous articles and papers published in technical journals. But by far your most celebrated piece of work—the one for which you are best known today—is an essay entitled "Energy Strategy: The Road Not Taken?" which appeared in the October '76 issue of Foreign Affairs. Since many of MOTHER's readers haven't seen that piece, I wonder if you could explainbriefly—what it was about, and why that article has been so controversial.
the rate at which a society gobbles energy isn't so much a measure of that society's success or well-being any more, but rather of its failure.

LOVINS: I'll try. Basically, the essay outlines and contrasts two paths along which U.S. energy policies—or the energy policies of other countries—might evolve over the next fifty years or so. These paths are not forecasts or projections - rather, they're illustrations. They're not necessarily what will or should happen - they're a way of visualizing what might happen.

What I said in "Energy Strategy: The Road Not Taken?" is that most of the energy futures one can imagine are basically variations on one or another of two themes. The first theme—which I call a "hard" energy path—assumes that the energy problem facing this country is how to expand supplies-especially domestic supplies-of energy to meet extrapolated demands. According to hard-path advocates, the solution to this problem is to deplete all sorts of depletable fuels faster, whether it's oil, gas, coal, or uranium - to convert those fuels into premium forms of energy, mainly electricity - to do that conversion in ever larger, more complex, more centralized, hightechnology plants - then to distribute the energy through big, centralized distribution networks. ...

LOVINS: With a soft energy path based on three components ... components that—when you put them together—form a whole greater than the sum of the parts. The three components are—first—very greatly increased efficiency in energy use ... second, the rapid introduction of what I call "soft technologies", which I'll define in a minute ... and third, the transitional use of fossil fuels to buy the time needed to deploy the soft technologies.

I don't need to say too much about the first component, except that I'm talking not just about increasing the gas mileage of cars or the efficiency of electric toasters ... I'm talking about reducing the enormous losses that occur when you convert primary energy—in the form of coal, petroleum, and so on—into gasoline and electricity. The losses that occur in converting primary energy to end—use energy have been increasing dramatically over the past few decades, and if we do nothing about it these losses will go on increasing until they take up over half of all future energy growth.

PLOWBOY: In other words, one of the biggest energy wasters in our present society is our own energy industry!

LOVINS: Precisely. In Britain, for example, the energy industries are the largest energy consumers. In England, more than half the growth in energy production that's occurred since 1900 has gone to fuel the fuel industries.

PLOWBOY: Wow!

LOVINS: Now obviously, this kind of thing can't be allowed to go on. We can't continue to fuel the fuel industry at an ever-increasing rate, and the rest of society can't continue to consume energy at an ever-increasing rate. It has to end somewhere.

PLOWBOY: I take it, then, you feel that zero or negative growth in the rate of energy use in the U.S. is a desirable and achievable goal.

LOVINS: Absolutely. And of course, that means we're going to have to learn how to do more with less. But it doesn't necessarily mean that we'll have to give up a lot of things that are dear to us. I hear that fear expressed quite often. Some people feel that civilization in the U.S. would be inconceivable if we used only, say, half as much electricity as we do now . . . and yet that is what we did use in 1963, when Americans were at least half as civilized as they are at present.

PLOWBOY: OK. A minute ago, you promised to define the term "soft technologies".

LOVINS: Right. Soft technologies have five defining characteristics. Number one, they're diverse ... that is, we're talking about a large number of individual technologies, each doing what it does best, and none trying to be a panacea. Second, soft technologies rely on renewable energy flows - sunlight, wind, vegetation, and the like — rather than on depletable fuels.

PLOWBOY: They rely on energy that's always going to be there whether we use it or not.

LOVINS: Yes. Third, they are relatively understandable, or what Ivan Illich would call convivial. That is, although an ordinary person wouldn't necessarily be able to build a particular soft energy device or have a detailed knowledge of what goes on inside it, he or she would be able to control it. It wouldn't be some mysterious giant lurking over the horizon, but rather an item of everyday activity that would be relatively understandable. My pocket calculator, for example, is technically a very sophisticated device, but I run it - it doesn't run me. That's the sort of social criterion I had in mind.

All right. The fourth and fifth defining characteristics of soft technologies are that they're matched in scale and in energy quality to end-use needs.

I'd never heard of "Ivan Illich" before and was wondering if he'd gotten "Vladimir Illich" mixed up (Lenin's first names) - but a quick Google set me straight - Mr Illich was an Austrian anarchist of sorts who Wikipedia describes as the "intellectual father of Web 2.0 and Wikipedia".
Ivan Illich (Vienna, 4 September 1926 – Bremen, 2 December 2002) was an Austrian philosopher and anarchist social critic. He authored a series of critiques of the institutions of contemporary western culture and their effects of the provenance and practice of education, medicine, work, energy use, and economic development. Illich has been called the intellectual father of Web 2.0 and Wikipedia. In 1971 Illich imagined a world where people learned mostly from each other rather than from experts and where information would be available everywhere anytime—in railway stations, factories, cafes, hospitals everywhere.

18 comments

Anonymous   says 2:30 PM

Lovins is a bit of a hypocrite. He talks about "energy-services", and then goes about replacing the car. The services that people are after are visiting people and places of interest, and obtaining goods and services. By his own logic we should be moving those things into close proximity and reducing dependency on cars and trucks.

I haven't heard him talk about reducing speed limits, which would instantly reduce fuel consumption without new technology. It seems that the market is blind to that option.

Living standards have been in decline in the US for quite some time, so I don't see how he was proven right. It's more that they've been borrowing their way out of trouble, rather than greening their way. It's also arguable that government published GDP (and most other statistics) is meaningless - who can say that real growth has occurred? Not to say you can't prosper in a world of declining energy, but that whole paragraph was specious.

I don't see where the hypocrisy is - Lovins has always said we should have as much energy (or water, or whatever) as we want - as long as it comes from renewable sources and is harvested in a sustainable way.

If you have a lightweight, electric powered car, fueled from clean energy sources, why not drive as much as you want ?

As for the US, it would be hard to argue it hasn't grown over the past 30 years (even if per capita incomes have remained stagnant in real terms and debt has risen) - or that clean energy technologies haven't come a long way in that time.

All that remains is to roll them out on a large scale.

Anonymous   says 10:49 PM

I thought the hypocrisy was obvious. He says we should think laterally to provide the services people want, but then goes about providing those services (at least cars) in the same form.

There are many problems with cars that are independent of the way they are fueled, and unless you believe we are going to enjoy a future of unlimited material abundance, their dominance will always be a heavy burden on the lower socioeconomic classes. See http://www.carfree.com/intro_cfc.html for criticism of the car.

"But history has proved him right. Thanks to a combination of high prices and public policies aimed at encouraging efficiency and conservation, America’s energy use did decouple from economic output in the wake of the oil shocks of the 1970s. Crucially, this happened without impoverishing the country, proving his once-controversial thesis that growth and greenery can indeed go hand in hand."

It's a dubious conclusion that the US is an example of efficiency resulting in prosperity. The GDP statistics are meaningless, and heath, education and happiness indicators have trended downward. Per capita energy use is shameful. Much of the economic growth that did occur was based on unsustainable levels of borrowing.

"All that remains is to roll them out on a large scale." That's easy to say, but it remains to be seen if the capital and organisation exist to do it. At what point do you give up and start adapting? Perhaps we should hedge our bets.

I don't see that providing lightweight, electric cars is hypocritical - its still a change from the status quo.

I also think we could (and should) aim for a future of material abundance - I see no reason as to why this isn't possible.

I also think that we should aim to make clean, efficient transportation cheap enough that it is available to everyone - all 9+ billion of us (eventually).

If cars no longer pollute (and make much less noise), it would seem that a lot of the problems with them disappear.

This isn't to say that better urban design and expanded public transport shouldn't also be pursued - I think both options are need - it isn't an either / or choice (and in large, congested cities, obviously putting more cars on the road doesn't help matters, no matter how clean and quiet they are).

Anonymous   says 9:43 AM

Hypocrisy is espousing one virtue, and not exhibiting it yourself. Making a light, efficient car is not thinking laterally, it's obvious. A lateral approach would be figuring out how to avoid so much long distance travel.

"I see no reason as to why this isn't possible" The complexity of a civilisation is correlated with its surplus energy. We're rapidly running out of surplus energy, so we can expect complexity to collapse. That will make it hard to extract and make use of all kinds of resources.

We already have a clean and efficient form of transport. It's called the bicycle. And we've already had a period of almost free energy and abundant material resources, and we certainly didn't achieve social equality and personal motorised transport for all. What makes you think it's possible when the energy return is even lower and there are only very low grade resources left?

A few problems are solved with non-polluting cars, many are not.

It's been shown that you do actually have to sacrifice auto infrastructure in order to promote other forms of transport, because resources are limited and the two goals conflict.

Look - avoiding travelling is no more an example of lateral thinking than builder better cars is.

Thats how everyone lived back in the middle ages.

As for "surplus energy", there is no such thing.

We have energy "capital" (stored "ancient sunlight" in the form of fossil fuels) and energy "income" (that which comes from renewable sources).

We mostly (foolishly) use our energy capital and it will, one day, be all frittered away.

However, our energy income is far larger than our rate of consumption of energy capital - more than 10,000 times as large.

We'll never use all that "surplus" - we just need to choose to harness it.

I have no problem with dark green solutions but they aren't all of the solution. Without adopting bright green solutions as well (many of which Amory advocates) we are doomed to failure.

I prefer not to fail.

Anonymous   says 9:47 PM

Sure it is. So many are obsessed with how we are going to keep the cars going. They would have believe that life can't go on without cars. That is how the problem is framed. But the real problem is how to satisfy needs. So, think laterally and find ways of living without cars! I'm not saying that's original, but it is lateral in the context of the problem as it has been framed.

Right - and there is very little capital available to setup infrastructure to capture our income, if you prefer that terminology. Renewable sources can be stranded.

It depends on how you define failure. You are setting yourself up for it. Many have pointed out that peak oil (et al) is a predicament, not a problem. That is, we can't 'solve' it, only respond to it.

Errr - "capital" isn't a real thing - its just an accounting concept.

While I don't advocate this approach, you could go fully socialist, make constucting renewable energy infrastructure the number one priority of a new centrally planned economy and make it happen in a couple of decades.

Even in our somewhat degenerate state of capitalism I still like to think that with enough oomph behind a PR campaign and new cleantech bubble we could also achieve the goal of 100% renewables (and an electric transport system consisting of both cars and public transport) within the next 30 years.

I think there is enough waste embedded in our current usage patterns that we can trim a lot of fat in order to enable us to avoid getting stranded down some EROI hole...

Anonymous   says 3:54 PM

Perhaps you could do some research on how you might recognise being in an EROI hole, as you put it. You recently posted an article on promising renewable energy start-ups having difficulty commercialising their products. The financial system in melt down could be another red flag. Organisation and control of resources may be a limiting factor beyond scarcity. How do you know we aren't in that hole already?

I can't see any obvious evidence of us being in such a situation - far from it.

Oil won't peak until 2015 or so (maybe later if we have a big economic downturn), gas probably 2030, coal maybe 10 years later.

There is always the nuclear backup (for the weak minded) and we could, if we chose to, dramatically accelerate CSP and wind power construction any time we really felt like it (which is my recommended choice of action, along with boosts to all the other clean energy sources).

So why would I think we have already fallen into an EROI hole ? My view is we'll need to be well past peak for that to occur...

Anonymous   says 9:06 AM

And we've already had a period of almost free energy and abundant material resources, and we certainly didn't achieve social equality and personal motorised transport for all.
Some level of effective safety net is of course desirable, but I didn't hear Amory Lovins or Big Gav talking about a Communist Cornucopia. But then, if we have a 'bit' of an electric car revolution, and a 'bit' of a New Urbanism town planning reformation, and these 2 trends sort of meet in the middle — then maybe the poor will be able to afford to 'get around' even without a car, depending on where they live?

What makes you think it's possible when the energy return is even lower and there are only very low grade resources left?
Efficiency. Solar and wind might not have the same high ERoEI's of early cheap oil, but then again, today's oil doesn't either. And the whole Internal Combustion Engine is just such a wasteful fuel to wheels ratio. ICE are so 5 minutes ago.

My own main difference with Big Gav and Amory is that I think we've left adjusting too little too late, and that while the future might be more abundant, energy secure, clean, and techno-green, getting there's going to be tough. My own personal prediction is that — because of the Export Land Model — we'll have a couple of decades of economic contraction and social disruption... a "Great Depression" on steroids.

But ultimately who can rule out future generations developing a form of solar PV so cheap and abundant that it makes even a partial hydrogen economy possible?

(Just used as an example — my own preference is an 'electron economy' based on trains, trams, trolley buses and some EV's for some sectors).

I agree with much of what you're saying Tim, in that if we redesign our cities we don't even need cars (as much) in the first place. The sheer congestion of future traffic and inevitable population growth makes me wince. But I think we need to avoid being too arrogant in our claims about what we know about the future. Just the last 4 years has seen a revolution in multiple renewable energy systems, and I think they are just on the 'tipping point' of an exponential roll-out that will prevent the "Mad Max" scenarios favoured by so many Doomers.

(PS: I hope I'm wrong on the Great Depression front as well. Living during a Great Depression must really suck!)

Anonymous   says 9:09 AM

PS: I really came here to say thanks for this find Big Gav... I downloaded a bunch of these podcasts when I went on my walk last night, and it was great to listen to Amory Lovins while burning some of my own excess calories.

(I'm on an Atkins styled meat diet by an Aussie group called "Bodytrim!" I feel like a cave-man eating huge slabs of meat. To peakniks that want to tell me I have to eat grains to save energy, I'll merely point out that carbs may have made me fat and unhealthy. Back to eating meat. Ug! Grok kill cow!)

Anonymous   says 10:10 AM

Net oil and refined product exports have already started declining as exporters pass their own peaks and increase consumption. Mexico will stop exporting in only a handful of years. Russia appears to have peaked and is playing political games with its position.

As Jeff Vail points out, there are negative feedback loops and volatility that will make large investments in new infrastructure difficult, especially for oil importers. Uncertainty in financial markets, commodity prices and economic outlook is a real problem for long term planning in capitalist societies.

Vulnerability to black swan events increases as spare capacity vanishes, and cascading failures can result. The current shortages in the American South East is an example.

Perhaps mined volume of raw material of oil, coal, gas and uranium will peak later, but what about the net energy? We are already relying on low grade resources such as tar sands and sub-bituminous and lignite coal. Energy consumed in extraction increases exponentially as concentration of ore decreases. Have a look at http://www.chrismartenson.com/environmental_data.

Plans such as ramping up nuclear, CSP and electric vehicles as a response seem optimistic, and disconnected from economic reality. Nuclear plants take at least 6 years to build, and it may take 20+ years to turn over the entire fleet. If persistent shortages of liquid fuels develop, how will it help, and what effect will it have on the feasibility of the projects? I would predict that priorities would change quickly.

Anonymous   says 6:46 PM

Hi Tim,
All your financial scenarios are pretty much accounted for in my "Great Depression" scenario... I think that you're right, and that's why it's too late to prevent significant economic pain... but as rationing begins and economic contraction takes effect and people change jobs, move house closer to work or school, and society adapts... then we'll come through hopefully in shining colours. Getting there may hurt — a lot — but I think the other side could be a vital, thriving Green economy.

disconnected from economic reality
Isn't this exactly backwards? The moment the "final oil crisis" meme really gets out there, governments get involved. And I mean "INVOLVED!"

Ausra are planning to build a gigawatt capacity solar thermal plant in 3 years. That's equivalent to a nuke, and it's the private energy market in California, in 3 years!

Imagine if the governments get involved and MANDATE an "Apollo mission" to energy independence, maybe along with energy efficiency (nation-wide electric rail systems replacing trucking)... then we'll see some action. And after years and decade/s of the economic stagnation of the final oil crisis, the green economy starts to create jobs, local energy security, economic security, local fishing, local ecosystem services, recycling of "green chemistry" industrial "nutrients" etc... and finally, the other side... when solar and wind are rolling out exponentially in an energy and transport matrix adapted to the new realities... who can tell what our grandchildren will achieve?

Tim - what happens to net exports is neither here nor there - it doesn't matter from the big picture point of view - importers suffer, exporters prosper.

The current US gas shortages are simply due to refining capacity being offline at the end of particular set of pipelines - it has nothing to do with peak oil or net energy availability - its a localised, temporary disruption due to the weather.

I agree that net energy declines as we exploit less concentrated sources - however that doesn't imply we are in an EROI hole now, just that we may end up in one one day.

We are extracting oil from tar sands, but we aren't extracting high quality, light sweet Iraqi crude - what this tells us that geopolitics is an additional complicating factor in an overalll EROI curve over time.

As for lignite coal, we've been burning it for decades - its just an example of people harnessing the cheapest energy source available locally.

None of this convinces me that we are near an EROI hole yet - you need hard numbers - show what the current point is, what the trend is and how much energy wastage we would have to remove from the system to convert to clean energy sources.

Only if you can show the last isn't possible can you conclude we are now in an EROI hole.

Anonymous   says 11:48 AM

Eclipse Now - thanks for your comment. Yes, it's disconnected from economic reality, and if you are hoping for political backing I will add that it's disconnected from political reality too. Let me elaborate by painting a picture (mostly from a US perspective).

You are a capitalist looking to invest your capital for a profit. You have already lost a lot because of the financial meltdown, and so you are becoming very risk averse. The economy is in contraction, unemployment is rising and peoples' ability to pay for goods (including electricity and new cars is diminishing). Demand is dropping as consumers cut back. Commodity prices are fluctuating wildly, and you can't guess where they will be in a few years. Shipping costs are rising with fuel costs, and factories have been closing due to dropping demand and unreliable power grids. There have been spot shortages of fuel, making it difficult for workers to travel. Road infrastructure is deteriorating as government funds dry up. The dollar is diving in value as the government spends in a futile attempt to reignite the economy, increasing the cost of imported components. You are not able to effectively cost renewable energy projects, and are uncertain that the materials will be available. Finding investment partners is difficult, as they are in the same situation as you. You conclude that investing your remaining capital in such projects is excessively risky, and the return from an increasingly impoverished population less than adequate compensation on balance.

Political leaders have all these problems, plus diminishing income (taxes) and overwhelming debts and liabilities. They also have little competence in energy matters, and instead tend to favour campaign contributors (see the corn ethanol fiasco). It also relies on them identifying energy as the root cause of the problem, but they have consistently shown ineptitude in this. They might be smart enough to realise that more electricity generation will not help gasoline powered vehicles, and that significant numbers of electric vehicles are a long way off as auto sales drop and manufacturers go out of business.

In regard to the solar thermal plant - we shall see if it actually goes to completion. Three years is a long time and the US imports the oil equivalent of 750 nuclear power plants (see http://www.chrismartenson.com/peak_oil).

Anonymous   says 8:01 PM

Your comments about the private capital investor are pretty much spot on. However, your comments on government wisdom when the crisis finally hits are unduly cynical. The Australian Federal peak oil summary basically concluded that walkable communities and rail were the long term goals, with various liquid fuel alternatives (such as Australia's gas) acting as a short-term substitute to keep essential services running.

I've met with politicians over this, including one fairly famous peaknik politician. He basically stated that politicians CANNOT campaign on peak oil. Yet. But when it happens, the "solutions memes" will spread like wildfire. The Federal Inquiry will be dug out of it's special filing cabinet in the "Department of Placating Eccentric Special Interest Groups", it will be dusted off, a special message from the Prime Minister will be screened, and the national conversation will change.

In terms of the world changing overnight, it will be comparable to declaring war.

A state of national emergency will be declared, the government will finally pick "winners" (like renewables) and not "losers" like more coal, and we'll be propelled into "emergency economy" mode.

And if we just keep reminding the public and government of the various solution principles, they just might choose the best of all the adequate solutions at that.

Several CSP plants already exist (the first ones were built in the 1970's) and something like 20 of them are in various stages of construction.

See here for more details.

http://peakenergy.blogspot.com/2008/04/concentrating-on-important-things-solar.html

If you check on the cleantech investment market you'll find it is booming - risk aversion certainly isn't at the forefront of people's minds.

I advise leaving the doomer feedlot for a while and checking on what the optimists are doing - there is a lot of activity (and some big proposals on the table - as per recent announcements from Gore, Pickens and Google).

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